拱心石下–吳靄儀從政十八年回望

July 16, 2019

For the record, the following are some info I watched and collected for 拱心石下–吳靄儀從政十八年回望. I plan to add more to this post in the coming days as I have time to check out Margaret’s FB page more.

– (20180722) 香港書展2018:拱心石下–吳靄儀從政十八年回望 (講者: 吳靄儀博士、許鞍華)

香港大學法律學院五十周年書話:吳靄儀、陳文敏 ()

– 《公民實踐論壇 – 十八相送:風雨同路》【論壇重溫】
Part 1: https://www.facebook.com/projectcitizens/videos/382999935569703/
Part 2: https://www.facebook.com/projectcitizens/videos/1580045792096395/
Part 3: 
https://www.facebook.com/projectcitizens/videos/443277869411551/
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Extra references:

2018-07-24 | 蘋果日報 | A11 | 港聞 | By 陳惜姿 政界人物:回首來時路 吳靄儀

RTHK 12th book prize final list.

2018/8/20 吳靄儀寸爆之鋒

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A Documentarian’s Observation – Long Hair Revolution from 2004 to 2019

July 4, 2019

*** A Documentarian’s Observation – Long Hair Revolution from 2004 to 2019 ***

Please have a read of A Documentarian’s Observation – Long Hair Revolution from 2004 to 2019” in the main original post where it is centralized at one location for ease of further update and adding materials.

*** New video to watch with added English subtitles ***

Long Hair 長毛 梁國雄 Leung Kwok-hung kindly gave me permission to follow and film him for about a month in 2004 for my debut documentary film Long Hair Revolution (2005). Now almost 15 years later in 2019, it has been a pleasant surprise and a bit emotional for me to watch the RTHK Headliner 頭條新聞 segment 【聰吧!新中年!】抗爭者言, 長毛 梁國雄) (episode 12, 愛民如子父母官 14/06/2019) featuring Long Hair.

I’ve spent quite a few hours over the last few weeks to video capture the Headliner 頭條新聞 segment【聰吧!新中年!】抗爭者言, translate the spoken Cantonese into English and lined up the English subtitle/Closed Caption text to exactly match the timing of the Chinese subtitle text on the clip. Feel free to let me know if you spot any clear mistakes and have suggestions to better translate things.

I’ve now uploaded my English subtitle enhanced clip onto YouTube, I hope you enjoy watching it: Long Hair – 2019 頭條新聞 RTHK Headliner

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誠徵: #記你老母 最強英文翻譯 Wanted: Epic awesome English translation for #記你老母

June 14, 2019

Have a watch of this footage of a Commercial Radio reporter being unjustly rough handled and threatened by Hong Kong police rough handling reporters in doing their jobs: #記你老母 錄影片段 (timecode 32s).

Also reported in this news article “【睇片】商台記者表明身份 仍遭揮警棍粗暴推撞 警:「記你老母!」” with link to original June 12, 2019 Commercial Radio 商台新聞’s Facebook video post.

FB user 劉仁顯 took time to create a FB profile frame tool for #記你老母 in which he translated “#記你老母” to “Port Your Mother”. While I thank the user for the effort, I think translating #記你老母 to “Port Your Mother” is a bit too polite and also incorrect.

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X你老母 usually are curse words for “F*ck your mother!” (or simply “You Motherf*cker!”)

So #記你老母 really should include F-word or ”Motherf*cker” in it somehow. Anyway, the first work-in-progress translation I used was “Re… you Motherf*ckers!” Upon further considerations, I think the following are worth considering:
1) “You Jurnos Motherf*ckers”
2) “Jurnos Motherf*ckers”
3) Journof*cker (Note: “Jurnos” is of course short for journalists.)
4) JìNǐLǎoMǔ

(Note: JìNǐLǎoMǔ is probably the most Beijing & mainland Chinese friendly translation inspired by Hanami for 花見. The dictionary entry for JìNǐLǎoMǔ (記你老母) can give a detailed explanation plus a link to Commercial Radio 商台新聞’s Facebook video post for context and usage example by the brutal authority and inventor of the phrase 記你老母.)

*) Port Your Mother [HT 仁顯]
*) Journfucknalist [HT a friend]
*) “Report, your ass” [HT a friend]
*) “Remember Your Mother” [HT internet, this one is very HK 無厘頭 and cute in some sense]

14 June 2019 Update: Thanks to the super wise 蕭叔叔 for sharing his take. [HT Vivian] Here is 蕭叔叔’s video explaining his rationales for translating #記你老母 to “Reporter, my arse!”. (assuming Brits are saying it). Have a watch.

While I respect 蕭叔叔’s insights, I feel it a bit “too polite” and failed to matched the tone of the unjustly violent policeman.

Imagine a “super big mean” English speaking Hollywood actor playing the role of the unjustly violent policeman saying the line “Reporter, my arse!” Sorry to be frank, I would laugh and NOT feel threaten at all as if Mr. Bean himself was threatening me!

Here lies a general translation challenge of how a culture say certain things. 蕭叔叔 wisely restricted his observation to the Brits. As a further aside, which I hope is illuminating, base on my limited understanding of Japanese people, they are exceedingly polite so their common curse words are like telling people they are “stupid” (in Cantonese, it sounds like 8+26)! And dare I say, “stupid” is NOT exactly a strong curse words in most cultures! In Canada and US, etc, people regularly use versions of the f-word, Motherf*cker, etc when cursing. So, to me, the Brits way of “Reporter, my arse!” is rather inadequate for HongKongers’ X你老母 or the unjustly violent policeman’s #記你老母!

Based on the above and other news video footages, unjustified violence have been deployed against many journalists trying to record and report on facts. So the words #記你老母 don’t feel like one off isolated incidents but feel like part of a “general declaration of war against journalists” reporting on the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests.

At this moment, I’m leaning to translate #記你老母 as “You Jurnos Motherf*ckers”. Feel free to share your ideas and suggestions in how to better translate #記你老母!

14 June 2019 Update #2: By the way and on the fun aside, my favourite open/unsolved grand translation challenge remains 「撒嬌」有沒有英譯 since I read a 2009 article. I haven’t yet given up.

The ultimate solution for 「撒嬌」 may end up being something I got inspired by Hanami (Japanese 花見), just coin a word for it. I know it is a “cheat” but a perfect cheat has some merits right?


六四30周年 #Tiananmen30 #June4 #六四

June 3, 2019

2019 June 5th update: Ming Pao (with video), “【六四30年.短片】「天安門母親」成員張先玲講話全文

“今日(4日)是六四事件30年,也是一眾「天安門母親」在被監視下生活的30年,支聯會六四燭光悼念集會上播放「天安門母親」群體成員講話短片。以下是成員張先玲在北京所發表的講話。

尊敬的香港同胞們:
尊敬的歷年來從世界各地趕來參加維園燭光晚會的有良知的朋友們:

我們代表「天安門母親」群體向你們致以最崇高的敬意和衷心的感謝!

三十年來,維園的燭光陪伴著「天安門母親」們走過了坎坷的歷程,溫暖着我們的心!

天安門慘案已經過去了三十年。但那個血腥的夜晚,北京上空激烈的槍聲、坦克的橫衝直撞、穿梭的救護車、市民們為了保護學生對戒嚴部隊視死如歸的沿途攔截、鼎沸的人聲以及親人們最後的身影,至今,我們記憶猶新,永遠定格在我們的腦海裏,深深地刻在我們的心底。

我們痛苦過、悲傷過,如今巨大的悲痛已化為支撐我們抗爭的動力!

這樣血腥的慘案,和平時期動用軍隊在中國歷史上絕無僅有!劊子手們將永遠被釘在歷史的恥辱柱上,決不是一句輕鬆的「政治風波」就能夠抹去!更不是所謂「動亂」「暴亂」就可以作為軍隊鎮壓的理由,這樣的謊言是掩蓋不了血寫的事實!

三十年來,「天安門母親」群體不畏強權,櫛風沐雨、砥礪前行。追尋遇難者的蹤跡,為的就是要討還公道,就是要說出真相、拒絕遺忘、呼喚良知,尋求正義!

雖然這三十年來,我們找到的遇難者只是冰山一角,但僅此一角已能證明「六四」鎮壓的殘酷!這樣一次由執政黨主導、政府下令,調動大批野戰軍乘著裝甲車、軍車、坦克,真槍實彈,在首都街頭殺害手無寸鐵的、和平示威的學生和市民!這是甚麼行為?是不折不扣的草芥人命!殺人者竟是國家的正規軍!這是政府指使下的殺人!是國家的犯罪!

三十年來,「天安門母親」們本着和平、理性的原則,堅持:真相、賠償、問責三項訴求,多次就「六四」慘案通過法律解決向政府提出對話,但執政當局一直不敢面對,不敢回答。卻在公開場合用一句「黨和政府已有定論。」的囈語,作為遁詞。這樣一件在全世界眾目睽睽之下發生的慘案,豈是少數領導人一句話就能將事實抹殺掉的。歷史證明:真相終將戰勝謊言,正義必將戰勝邪惡!

雖然,「天安門母親」群體中已有五十六位難屬離去。但我們活著的人,將一如既往,承擔起逝者的責任,不管路有多崎嶇,我們將奮力向前!

感謝香港市民和朋友們對我們的支持!”

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BBC 中文網:

1) 六四30周年:被消失的坦克人照片,

2) 曾奉命前往北京執行戒嚴任務的李曉明

[HT StandNews, BBC 記者問民眾有否看過坦克人照片 北京市民:這是國外坦克,不是中國]


達明一派《回憶有罪》

June 1, 2019

I searched for and bought my copy of 達明一派 (Tat Ming Pair)《回憶有罪》 when it became available on iTune to support them. Consider supporting them yourself. If in our dark hours honourable & creative artists like them don’t get our support to voice our feelings, then we can’t blame anyone else when no one else are left to express our views and feelings

Here is a 達明一派《回憶有罪》官方MV

Lyrics:

//達明一派 回憶有罪

舊日或問天 怎允許摧毀信念
浩蕩像為了 被懷念
現在別問他 可有膽公開紀念
被現實騎劫 怎怨天

如燭光都有罪 將暗黑多幾十年 Read the rest of this entry »


文化沙龍 – 黃耀明:這個璀燦都市光輝到此?

February 26, 2019

【第十四講】黃耀明:這個璀燦都市光輝到此?

LOVE this talk by Anthony (黃耀明 Wong Yiu Ming)!


Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)

November 8, 2018

Nov 13, 2018 Update: Here is the video: 【第十一講】吳靄儀:金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實

0:00 周保松’s Introduction
4:08 吳靄儀’s (Margaret) planned talk begin
11:35 Margaret mentions John Minford’s (English co-translator of 鹿鼎記 The Deer and the Cauldron) Ming Pao tribute “To Mark the Passing of Louis Cha” to 查良鏞
20:22 The world of 武林 is a bit cartoonish as killing has no consequences not unlike the world of Tom and Jerry.
29:34 金庸 re 功夫/芭蕾舞
35:40 金庸’s revisions including the 明河版 version
41:25 查良鏞’s book of editorials (1980-84)
52:50 Ming Pao as the only HK newspaper allowed in China
58:02 Cha’s decision of resigning as a 基本法草委
1:08:05 Margaret’s planned talk end
1:08:10 周保松’s comments
1:14:18 吳靄儀’s reply to 周保松’s comments
1:15:02 Beginning of Q&As
1:16:28 Cha’s business approach as a newspaper owner: “hard-nosed”, salary unfairness
1:20:23 區家麟’s question re “查良鏞曾經講過, 報紙是老闆的私器” How did Ming Pao reporters react internally?
1:22:20 to 1:26:06 新華社社長許家屯聲稱有人”不按本子辦事”. Cha wrote an editorial of which Margaret refuted point-by-point with her own 3000 – 4000 words articles.
1:40:45 The dubious practice of Cha “interviewing” himself
1:48:26 Cha’s own views and his possibly unintended/unplanned inspirations for his employees
1:55:45 Democracy is taken and never given (恩賜)
1:58:30 周保松 asks Margaret to share more as she read his fictions so many times and worked with him so closely.
2:02:10 Margaret talks about her creating the first political news section in HK newspapers (in Ming Pao) and she set its 政治新聞大綱
2:06:50 程翔’s comments (including what led to his 3 years imprisonment relating to a article written by 查良鏞)
2:20:44 吳靄儀’s discussion with 程翔
2:24:27 區家麟’s question for 程翔 re 查良鏞’s change of mind after being received by 鄧小平
2:24:35 程翔’s reply to 區家麟’s question
2:26:21 Margaret re 程翔的癡心
2:27:32 周保松’s comment re 金庸小說在大陸的出版
2:27:45 程翔’s comment re 中國新聞社(中新社)(”開小灶”=特別照顧的意思?). 專門為明報提供獨家新聞
2:29:03 Margaret’s concluding remarks
2:31:14 周保松 concludes the meeting with a reading from 神雕俠侶
P.S. Margaret, Thanks for sharing your insight. 保松, Thanks you and Brew Note for hosting. Ed, Thanks for processing and posting the video so quickly! The processing of the 143 minutes must have taken many hours even on a fast machine and the uploading must have taken many hours as well!

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I’m very much looking forward to the talk “Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)” by Dr. Margaret Ng (吳靄儀) hosted by Prof. P.C. Chow (周保松) this Saturday. I will post a link to the presentation when it is available. From the Facebook announcement

//Brew Note 文化沙龍第十一講
題目:金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實
講者:吳靄儀
主持:周保松
日期:2018年11月10日(星期六)
時間:7:00-9:00pm
地點:北角堡壘街19號地下
(海報設計:林道群)//

I LOVE the story 保松 shared of Margaret’s original English title “Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man” came to the Chinese translated title of “(金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)” . Here is 保松’s amazing story and I quote,

“說點小故事。
金庸先生去世,我覺得要有一埸沙龍向他致敬。在香港,吳靄儀是不二之選。吳大狀寫過好幾本金庸小說專著,曾在《明報》工作多年,擔任過好幾屆立法會議員,對金庸和查良鏞皆知之甚深。
吳大状獲邀,一口答應。但她不懂中文輸入法,遂寄我一個英文題目:Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man,並叫我們隨意翻譯。
我和牛津大學出版社林道群先生商量了一下,我說,譯為「金庸與查良鏞:大俠耶?人耶?」如何?道群說,不如「金庸與查良鏞:江湖與現實世界」?我說,拿走「世界」如何?道群說好,於是有了這題目。
一小時不到,道群兄傳我海報第一稿,上面有個金庸和小龍女(陳玉蓮)的混合體,又大膽又過癮。我多事,提了個小建議,請他在上面加幾筆水墨,造個江湖出來。一小時後,道群傳我第二版,最後還加了一個英文版。
道群兄的書籍設計(董橋、北島、余英時、章怡和、趙越勝等)早已名滿天下,大家現在也可以欣賞欣賞他的海報。”

As I noted in my comment, “Thanks for sharing the back story! I love the precision in Margaret’s original English title and the poetic (and toned down) translated Chinese title.”

P.S. Here you see the English and Chinese promotional posters being placed side by side.

(designer:林道群先生) Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)

(designer:林道群先生) Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)

I love the placement of the English text “between the myth and the man” in a vertical form underneath the divider of “Jin Yong” and “Louis Cha”, I wish similar symmetry can be echoed in the Chinese version. I like the use of a separate colour of some of the text in the Chinese poster (although I haven’t decided on which of the text) and would love to see the Chinese version also use an additional colour.

Overall, two lovely posters and very nice Chinese translated title all done by volunteers in very short time! I can’t wait to watch the recorded video when it is available! Many thanks to Margaret, 保松, and his wonderful team of awesome volunteers! I hope I will have the luck to attend Brew Note 文化沙龍 one of these days when I visit HK!

2018 Nov 11th update: //I’m still part way through watching the following HKTDC 2006 video of 金庸先生 answering some very good questions. In some answers, we can see “Jin Young the myth” (borrowing Margaret’s words) explaining/excusing his own new revisions.

In one of his answers, he refused a questioner’s earnest request of publishing the original newspaper editions of his fictions. The host even “cutely” (some may argue rudely/ignorantly) analogized the request as something akin to “問瘦身之後的女士, 攞瘦身之前嘅相” (something similar). I wished 金庸先生 had not minded letting newer readers read his original works (newspaper editions) for enjoyment/study. But 金庸先生 DID (at least as I understood or twisted it) implicitly allowed/even encouraged people to find and pirate his newspaper editions to read themselves!//

香港書展2006: 金庸與讀者座談會 (回顧)

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