Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)

Nov 13, 2018 Update: Here is the video: 【第十一講】吳靄儀:金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實

0:00 周保松’s Introduction
4:08 吳靄儀’s (Margaret) planned talk begin
11:35 Margaret mentions John Minford’s (English co-translator of 鹿鼎記 The Deer and the Cauldron) Ming Pao tribute “To Mark the Passing of Louis Cha” to 查良鏞
20:22 The world of 武林 is a bit cartoonish as killing has no consequences not unlike the world of Tom and Jerry.
29:34 金庸 re 功夫/芭蕾舞
35:40 金庸’s revisions including the 明河版 version
41:25 查良鏞’s book of editorials (1980-84)
52:50 Ming Pao as the only HK newspaper allowed in China
58:02 Cha’s decision of resigning as a 基本法草委
1:08:05 Margaret’s planned talk end
1:08:10 周保松’s comments
1:14:18 吳靄儀’s reply to 周保松’s comments
1:15:02 Beginning of Q&As
1:16:28 Cha’s business approach as a newspaper owner: “hard-nosed”, salary unfairness
1:20:23 區家麟’s question re “查良鏞曾經講過, 報紙是老闆的私器” How did Ming Pao reporters react internally?
1:22:20 to 1:26:06 新華社社長許家屯聲稱有人”不按本子辦事”. Cha wrote an editorial of which Margaret refuted point-by-point with her own 3000 – 4000 words articles.
1:40:45 The dubious practice of Cha “interviewing” himself
1:48:26 Cha’s own views and his possibly unintended/unplanned inspirations for his employees
1:55:45 Democracy is taken and never given (恩賜)
1:58:30 周保松 asks Margaret to share more as she read his fictions so many times and worked with him so closely.
2:02:10 Margaret talks about her creating the first political news section in HK newspapers (in Ming Pao) and she set its 政治新聞大綱
2:06:50 程翔’s comments (including what led to his 3 years imprisonment relating to a article written by 查良鏞)
2:20:44 吳靄儀’s discussion with 程翔
2:24:27 區家麟’s question for 程翔 re 查良鏞’s change of mind after being received by 鄧小平
2:24:35 程翔’s reply to 區家麟’s question
2:26:21 Margaret re 程翔的癡心
2:27:32 周保松’s comment re 金庸小說在大陸的出版
2:27:45 程翔’s comment re 中國新聞社(中新社)(”開小灶”=特別照顧的意思?). 專門為明報提供獨家新聞
2:29:03 Margaret’s concluding remarks
2:31:14 周保松 concludes the meeting with a reading from 神雕俠侶
P.S. Margaret, Thanks for sharing your insight. 保松, Thanks you and Brew Note for hosting. Ed, Thanks for processing and posting the video so quickly! The processing of the 143 minutes must have taken many hours even on a fast machine and the uploading must have taken many hours as well!

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I’m very much looking forward to the talk “Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)” by Dr. Margaret Ng (吳靄儀) hosted by Prof. P.C. Chow (周保松) this Saturday. I will post a link to the presentation when it is available. From the Facebook announcement

//Brew Note 文化沙龍第十一講
題目:金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實
講者:吳靄儀
主持:周保松
日期:2018年11月10日(星期六)
時間:7:00-9:00pm
地點:北角堡壘街19號地下
(海報設計:林道群)//

I LOVE the story 保松 shared of Margaret’s original English title “Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man” came to the Chinese translated title of “(金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)” . Here is 保松’s amazing story and I quote,

“說點小故事。
金庸先生去世,我覺得要有一埸沙龍向他致敬。在香港,吳靄儀是不二之選。吳大狀寫過好幾本金庸小說專著,曾在《明報》工作多年,擔任過好幾屆立法會議員,對金庸和查良鏞皆知之甚深。
吳大状獲邀,一口答應。但她不懂中文輸入法,遂寄我一個英文題目:Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man,並叫我們隨意翻譯。
我和牛津大學出版社林道群先生商量了一下,我說,譯為「金庸與查良鏞:大俠耶?人耶?」如何?道群說,不如「金庸與查良鏞:江湖與現實世界」?我說,拿走「世界」如何?道群說好,於是有了這題目。
一小時不到,道群兄傳我海報第一稿,上面有個金庸和小龍女(陳玉蓮)的混合體,又大膽又過癮。我多事,提了個小建議,請他在上面加幾筆水墨,造個江湖出來。一小時後,道群傳我第二版,最後還加了一個英文版。
道群兄的書籍設計(董橋、北島、余英時、章怡和、趙越勝等)早已名滿天下,大家現在也可以欣賞欣賞他的海報。”

As I noted in my comment, “Thanks for sharing the back story! I love the precision in Margaret’s original English title and the poetic (and toned down) translated Chinese title.”

P.S. Here you see the English and Chinese promotional posters being placed side by side.

(designer:林道群先生) Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)

(designer:林道群先生) Jin Yong . Louis Cha:between the myth and the man (金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實)

I love the placement of the English text “between the myth and the man” in a vertical form underneath the divider of “Jin Yong” and “Louis Cha”, I wish similar symmetry can be echoed in the Chinese version. I like the use of a separate colour of some of the text in the Chinese poster (although I haven’t decided on which of the text) and would love to see the Chinese version also use an additional colour.

Overall, two lovely posters and very nice Chinese translated title all done by volunteers in very short time! I can’t wait to watch the recorded video when it is available! Many thanks to Margaret, 保松, and his wonderful team of awesome volunteers! I hope I will have the luck to attend Brew Note 文化沙龍 one of these days when I visit HK!

2018 Nov 11th update: //I’m still part way through watching the following HKTDC 2006 video of 金庸先生 answering some very good questions. In some answers, we can see “Jin Young the myth” (borrowing Margaret’s words) explaining/excusing his own new revisions.

In one of his answers, he refused a questioner’s earnest request of publishing the original newspaper editions of his fictions. The host even “cutely” (some may argue rudely/ignorantly) analogized the request as something akin to “問瘦身之後的女士, 攞瘦身之前嘅相” (something similar). I wished 金庸先生 had not minded letting newer readers read his original works (newspaper editions) for enjoyment/study. But 金庸先生 DID (at least as I understood or twisted it) implicitly allowed/even encouraged people to find and pirate his newspaper editions to read themselves!//

香港書展2006: 金庸與讀者座談會 (回顧)

xxx

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